Author Topic: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"  (Read 399 times)

Maha Kali

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                      It's very ironic that I'm posting this at the same time that TST's own monument to free speech, diversity and inclusion is set to be placed in a memorial park to pay homage to our fallen veteran heroes as the first ever publicly sanctioned Satanic monument. What a great victory for free speech this is! But, in many parts of the country, this type of victory seems to be one-sided, as those on similarly unpopular ends of the sociopolitical spectrum  face censure, viewpoint discrimination, and outright erasure from the history books. I have been closely following protests in the last year or so, and I see a disturbing trend. It seems that the far left's agenda of "tolerance" for only THEIR viewpoints has utterly infected nearly every facet of structural power and authority. When liberals were smashing windows, tearing down gates and fences, and indiscriminately burning things and injuring people (and they were all wearing masks...lots of terrorists wear masks, you know) the police curiously made no efforts to capture or identify, much less prosecute, these ruffians for their criminal acts. And anyone vaguely familiar with police culture would know there is always a preset plan for how to deal with such riotous outbreaks, and a very strict and specific set of orders; I just wonder who was giving the orders that night, and from how far up the "system's" chain of command they came...
                       
                       In a more recent protest to challenge the removal of statues of Confederate military leaders (story linked below), this time organized and facilitated by those of an unmistakably less media-friendly demographic, there was no such activity: no vandalism, no assaults, no arson, no fisticuffs, yet THIS time, when the police arrived, these peaceful protesters, while attempting to exercise their 1st amendment rights, were ORDERED to vacate the premises and cease their protest. Why, might you ask? Because the cause for which they gathered that night was not politically correct. Yes, that's right. Free speech, in the year 2017, evidently only applies if you are propagating the rhetoric of the right "agenda," and these people simply weren't. And that gives the State full reign to take your constitutionally-granted, inalienable rights and steamroll right over them. It may not come as a surprise that the protesters were accused by this same truly unbiased media (ha ha) of being "alt-right, white supremacist, racist hate-mongers," when in reality, the vast majority were probably people like me: people who care about historical preservation and indiscriminate free speech for ALL.

              Remembering historical events (and having EVIDENCE of such), no matter what difficult memories or images they may conjur, is IMPORTANT.  The erasing of landmarks of paramount historical significance in the name of liberal "tolerance" is beyond absurd. How are future generations going to understand the sheer gravity of something as atrocious as institutionalized racism, if the evidence of it is systematically deleted from existence? This type of totalitarian censorship is no different than that seen in the days when Stalin ruled over the Soviet Union with an iron fist; hammering any signs of dissonance into pure oblivion. The professed "Man of Steel" LITERALLY re-wrote history to support the Communist party and agenda and this is no different. The only difference is, he was a dictator and we allegedly have a democracy with free speech and EXPRESSION (a statue is a great example of expression; hasn't TST just proven that?)

                  Finally, is there no place to hold reverence for those who suffered and died in battles across this country regardless of what side they fought on? Was every Confederate soldier a bile-spewing racist who viewed blacks as some sort of animals to be tamed by their masters, or were many of them just a product of their time; ignorant of such higher ethical philosophies; simply staying loyal to their brothers, sisters, families and friends, and if they were, do they still deserve to be banished from history? Do we even have that right?

"He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it." -George Santayana

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/torch-wielding-group-protests-confederate-statue-removal/

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2017, 11:56:42 AM »
Awww, look who wants to show off they just passed their Sixth Grade English Finals.
Seriously Goldstein Shelkelberg, format won't make you look smarter.

I know you wrote all this trying to make a point but... the real question is what does any of this have to do with TST? We know what we fight for, we don't do dumb shit like take away Free Speech (that's our one and only weapon). You're talking about people outside us who are not affiliated with us, and if they are they are standalone people fighting for their personal passions that has nothing to do with TST as a whole.

Personally I don't get all this reverence for stone and pieces of cloth we call "Flags," if such non-living organic/non organic shit is offensive I say be away with it. I care about people, a Flag or a statue is NOT my country. The soldiers who fought for them are. We got plenty of non-organic statues and junk commemorating our fallen countrymen, who cares if an offensive one gets taken down because most of them are not offensive in any way. I like the ones that are just a list of all their names with little to no insignia on them. Just names of those who are our country and its values. Putting insignia on them is distracting, I don't want to look at a giant cross, I don't want to see a giant upside pentacle, I want to read my Grandfather's name and remember what I've been taught about him as well as remember what he fought for at the time from the stories that have been passed down to me without deifying any of it. People go to these places of memory with photos, flowers, and the children of the fallen tell their children the loving memories of the one he knew as Father.

It was stupid to put any confederate insignia on fallen soldiers memorandum. It was just unnecessary and asking for opposition. Putting insignia on anything tends to deify it, I mean, look at the modern day Confederates groupies, you can't tell me they don't deify the Confederate symbols like sheep in a church. It's like they don't care about WHO their ancestors were, they care about WHAT their ancestors were and are trying to sit in its shadow as if their ancestor's glory day dandruff might fall on them and bestow them its power. White, powerful, and the ruler of lesser men. They deify the power they lost, jealous of what once was theirs. Why can't they respect their ancestors like normal people? lol
Technically Confederates fought for a country that WAS. We fight for a country that IS. We fight for an evolving country. Confederate groupies are unevolved and don't want to recognize a NEW country today.  Republican? Leftist? I don't care, they leave themselves behind. Kick dirt on them whilst they weep over spilt milk while we keep moving forward. I don't give time to those that stick their heads in the mud of the past.

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 01:53:56 PM »
I kind of agree with what you're saying, but for one slight difference. Insignias matter. Its what people use to idolize their goals, to put stock in a movement, you need a mascot. The confederates fought to keep the south the way it was and had been. I realize this causes discrimination on everyone who lived in the south, and that most of the confederates fought simply to protect their fellow confederates and family back home. But that insignia was their source of power, just like the Baphomet and the veterans monument are sources of power and meaning. It may be a farce of sorts, but it still has meaning. 
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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 03:01:28 PM »
I guess it's different for people. I learned early in life to never give power to a symbol.
A symbol can be broken and discarded and I figured you just shouldn't attach yourself to it. It's not alive after all. People are alive, and people have died for ideals and labels but not pieces of cloth.

The emblem doesn't give anyone power unless you're a superstitious type. The person need only realize the power was in themself all along. As Satanism shows us.

There's no problem when it comes to labels associated with emblems, labels are important to a point, but to deify the emblem is ludicrous.
They make emblems by the dozen, just get a new one. It is not a sacred holy thing it is piece of material whether it be stone or cloth. And such material things are temporary, fade, and easily break.

But ya know. Just my opinion.
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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 03:25:38 PM »
I agree completely. Time goes on and everything corrupts and twists in meaning, even decays. I'm just saying that to discard someone elses insignias or forms of power as trash and junk kind of go against the Tenets. People need symbolism no matter how farcical and benign they seem, and to discard it as trash when someone openly fought and died under that insignia, well it seems unjustified. I do agree with you though, I'm simply responding in the spirit of open mind.
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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 12:04:29 AM »
I relish in the knowledge that this post has massively triggered the extremist far-left socialist radical snowflake, otherwise known as ClovenMischief, although to be honest, that was not my primary purpose.

What does this have to do with TST? Isn't one of TST"s primary missions the protection of free speech, no matter how offensive or unpopular it may be? Does that speech have to align with the specific agenda of the tenets for TST for us to  find a common ground among similarly discriminated against groups of people whose rights to free speech have been and continue to be arbitrarily quashed by the "powers that be?"
Do you not think that these are the same puppet-masters who have, thus far, succeeded in preventing the Baphomet statue from being placed in any public space?

You don't get the "reverence for stone?" So by that logic, I guess you are NOT in support of the recently approved and soon-to-be-implemented Satanic veterans monument (made of some kind of stone, surely!) I really have to thank you for validating just the kind of hypocrisy seen so commonly among the lunatic left that I was trying to expose with this post though. You say we should "do away" with "inanimate flags and statues" that are "offensive," but I can assure you, there are many more people that are going to be offended by the NOW-APPROVED AND SOON-TO-BE-IMPLEMENTED Satanic veterans STONE monument complete with Satanic insignia (which, according to you, has absolutely no meaning whatsoever in its very specific purpose of signifying that this historic monument is unmistakably Satanic) that will be in full public view. But I'm sure you wouldn't want THAT "meaningless"  chuck of rock removed, regardless of its offense level, because, you know, it aligns with your beliefs...but BEGONE with the ones that don't, right? Free speech for those that agree with me, and censorship for the rest -- liberal logic, you gotta love it...

Now, as obviously just plain stupid as your views on this really are, and as completely antithetical they are to the foundations of TST (please refer to tenet 4), I have to also admit something else: I think you should be perfectly free to espouse them even here, the alleged vanguard of free speech protection, no matter how asinine they may be (hint: they're REALLY asinie, lol). So, by all means: bring on the triggered rage and fascist idealogy masquerading as "progressive thinking" -- we're all ears, because as I mentioned before, all you did with your response was prove my point about the hypocrisy of radical leftists like yourself.

Finally, where in the hell you came up with the "Deification of flags and statues" is beyond me. My writing in support of leaving these types of monuments intact comes from a viewpoint for the support of HISTORICAL PRESERVATION and has nothing to do with anything superstitious or spiritual. If you're going to feebly attempt to debate me, at least try and stick to topics at hand, instead of arbitrarily injecting irrelevant arguments into what's being discussed. I saw this coming too though -- distraction and spin are equally feeble tactics when someone can't come up with a SOUND and logical argument to refute the one previously presented.

Or maybe you should just join Antifa, or another socialist group -- I think you'd find a lot more common ground there than in TST, honestly.


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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 12:21:37 AM »
Daemon: I agree, not all of us here are atheists, so I certainly think for example that symbolism for spiritual presences can hold a lot of meaning (not that I'm implying they're meaningless if you ARE an atheist, which if I had to guess, would probably include the majority of the members here). It almost seems like you're walking on eggshells; trying to agree/disagree with both ClovenMischief and myself at the same time...which may actually be a template for wisdom xD

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 05:07:05 AM »
Yes! He's calling me names !
Though it's a bit early, losing your touch Shekelberg? You used to do better at this.

I civilly agree to disagree with daemon. I think militant COS athiesm has rubbed off on me to be honest so that may be a factor. But I think samowens argument beat  us both and made what either of us were saying irrevelant. XD

Everything I said still applies to 'Historical Preservation'. I loved the FDR museum filled with one of a kind history, but guess What? The museum burned down with everything inside with it.
But we don't have to fret because we're living in a technologically advanced time and we just have pictures of everything that was or shall be significant and historical. Again, material deification, and yes that is also anything historical we wish to preserve, is bogus, it'll keep in some form or another. You're caught up in material stuff, I know Satanists are material, but caring about rocks and clocks in a sacred untouchable manner or whatever is STILL dumb imho. XD

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 06:31:07 AM »
Dammit, I deleted that post because I just wasnt in the mood to argue with this cretin. However, Ive gotten sleep, and I feel rested so I'll post it.

This kind of bullshit victimhood behavior is amusing, and now even white rednecks want a piece of the action. But guess what, they were defeated! It used to be that when one country conquered another, the victor got to build a monument, and had a transcriber to record their victory, with a slant of course. Rome defeats an enemy, they build an arch de triumphe. Here though, if you lose, its ok. Just put in enough whining and begging you keep to keep your monuments commemorating defeat! lol

The strong dont have to have mommy and daddy demand a participation trophy, they take it because no one on top can tell them no.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 08:07:12 AM »
Sorry, wouldn't have mentioned it had I noticed you deleted it.

Also no one's thinking in extremes here but the actual radical, ya know, the Jew-boy of "he who goes by many names." Quite literally the only extreme person on this board who doesn't ever catch the joke. And I thought I was slow when it came to jokes...

TST's monument setting, just like it's Baphomet Statue's setting, might very well be temporary. These statues and whatnot are nothing but physical jokes on Christians to get Christians to stop bullshitting around with trying to turn even the very ground they walk on anti-gay or some other nonsense they judge from their "love they neighbor" Bible.
You noticed how once the Baphomet statue's message was nulled when they pulled the Ten Commandments down that TST decided to NOT put the statue there because it no longer had meaning to? Yeah dumb ass if you were TST get with the program of what they are actually doing and not put left-wing or right-wing BS on it because it's neither. If you thought you were a Troll TST is just one big troll to combat the increasingly non-secular politics. So you were trolled by a religion of trolls. But i'm sure you already knew that, but still I'm giving the benefit of the doubt in case you actually really didn't catch that because I'm not THAT cruel. even though that, at the same time, may insult your intelligence either way.

Yes, one can be anti deification of material things and still understand the message of the Satanic Monument, and if both monuments are taken down BECAUSE TST offended people that's still working in our favor. We'd only have to keep fighting if they only took down the our monument and left theirs. It's a message, but alas only temporary as well. The point is to cause a ruckus to make people build memorial monuments smarter and less "offensive" so that this doesn't happen again.

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 09:35:39 AM »
I agreed and disagreed because I do believe what cloven is saying to an extent, but I also believe that these symbols are a symbol of remembrance and power, and that they are temporary / arbitrary. I just don't think they should be used as an oppression piece. I was simply saying that an insignia can have power and purpose while not being a deification artifact.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 10:41:14 AM »
Ok, THAT I can agree with. I think I read what you wrote wrong because I was getting a different sort of vibe/message.
I was just saying people shouldn't be so butthurt over an idol being broken or removed. But going into technical detached detail as to why. It might of sounded cruel, but I do understand attachment to objects. I just wish people would understand to not be so hurt when their idols break. Like a child when their favorite hero toy representing their ideals gets smashed beneath a car tire or something. Same concept to me, just with adults.
The ideals didn't die when your hero was smashed, they lived on in the person, the books, and every other medium. Even if those ideals were pretty shitty like the confederates. XD
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 01:05:03 PM »
Symbols do evoke "magic," just like labels in how they influence people. I especially got a giggle when a couple years ago during the unveiling of the Baphomet statue people were given an initiatory designation where the participants were required to sign their souls away to Satan in order to get the proper address. Of course the Christians could not be pragmatic and sign the document for the tounge in cheek excercise that it was. In my experience satanic symbols are more meant to manipulate others than show some kind of "reverence" for the said object. "Reverence" for objects or ideals tend to be methods for deflecting criticisms for their own shortcomings. You criticize someones ego, in their mind you are not merely contemptuous of them as individuals, you are contemptuous of god himself. Keeps the illusion of individual "equality" between individuals. Reverence for symbols is for sheep, which any Satanic organization, from TST to COS, is willing to use against those with a sheep like reverence and devotion for empty ideals and symbols.

You see this in debates about war. Any criticism of war or motivations behind it has been historically dealt with, not by dealing with the merits of the argument, but rather by calling them "unpatriotic" and how we must "support our soilders," which is laughed at by most soilders Ive talked to. But it makes the sheep fall in line.

Not that symbols dont have reverence for Satanists, but only as it aligns with the self, or self-interested goals, not out of some obligation for any "community," unless the communitys goals align with our own, and then its more pragmatic than reverent.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 06:38:12 PM »
Id like to knock down this fantasy for a second. The Satanic Temple is not the ideal advocate for this cause, and I say that without comment on the free speech merits of the case. Simply, the primary demographic probably interested would be southern protestants, and lending "Satan's" support (because lets face it, they provably think we are devil worshipers no matter what we say) would probably do more harm than good. And if we by some longshot ally with christians then it might take the power of our symbol away. The ACLU would probably be best for this, as they only need one client, and only need persuade the court and not public opinion. Whatever you wanna do dude, its up to you. Theyve taken unpopular stands in the name if free speech before.

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Re: Censoring History: The Left and MSM's Insane Agenda of "Tolerance"
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2017, 05:31:33 PM »
Unless they had permits, they almost certainly violated the city's fire ordinances. The First Amendment does not guarantee the right to brandish torches. I don't think you can walk around just anywhere in public with like 50 or 100 torches.